![]() ![]() The site, which has been roundly internationally condemned - but not taken down by the Ukrainian government itself - claims not to be a kill list but rather “information for law enforcement authorities and special services.” There is a list maintained by a far-right Ukrainian organization that contains hundreds of thousands of enemies of Ukraine, from alleged members of the Wagner private military company to journalists accused of cooperating with puppet governments in the Donbas region. Waters’ claim isn’t true, but it isn’t completely false, either. And it’s amazing how often when I’ve done the hunt and hunted it down, it is da, da, da.,” he says, making up a hypothetical Ukrainian web address. “And when I read stuff, which I have done in blogs and things, criticizing me for my … I always go and look and see where it came from. Well, I’m one of those fucking pictures.” I’m on the fucking list, and they’ve killed people recently.… But when they kill you, they write ‘liquidated’ across your picture. “Don’t forget, I’m on a kill list that is supported by the Ukrainian government. “Maybe…” he wonders, before throwing a curveball. And it’s not only Ukrainian officials and Western media reporting atrocities - there are war crimes investigations already underway. I’m relying on testimony of people I know who’ve seen things with their own eyes. I’ve even got friends who are Ukrainian journalists. I haven’t just seen things via corporate media, I say - I’ve got friends in Ukraine, and friends who went to Ukraine as journalists. I try to push gingerly through Waters’ brick wall. “It’s exactly the obverse of saying Russian propaganda Russians interfered with our election Russians did that. “You’ve seen it on what I’ve just described to you as Western propaganda,” he retorts. ![]() ![]() This factor of 10 idea, I suggest, might not play all that well to any citizen of Ukraine right now - especially given the mounting evidence of war crimes we’ve seen, including mass graves, the use of rape as a weapon of war, targeting humanitarian convoys, and more. We, the American empire, is doing all this shit.” We are the most evil of all by a factor of at least 10 times,” he says. “Of course, we - when I say we, I’m now speaking as a taxpayer in the United States - are not. That compliant media, he continues, feeds us the idea that Russia and China are evil, and we by contrast are good. Waters says most of us are fed our narratives instead of being able to independently come to our own conclusions by the “completely controlled” media, which is “monopolized by the powers that be and by the government … oh, my God, Rolling Stone must be part of it.” (To hear an audio version of the full interview, press play above or listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.) Waters wants his public to accept him - his music, politics, and all, and to take it seriously - and so Rolling Stone dispatched me, an investigative journalist, to interview him. ![]()
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